Now today i am joined by very special guest, indeed to discuss the watches and cinema of christopher nolan. This is debbie santa, so hi debbie. How are you fine, hello, guys, hello? Everybody thank you for having me here today.
Usually, when i start a video, i do a wristwatch check um, but i notice you, you don’t, wear a watch. I don’t have anything on today, absolutely nothing! Well! I i think we’ll. We’ll, make a watch enthusiast out of you yeah.
I think there’s. A lot of great watches in this when i found out that you well nolan, is your favorite film, director, yeah yeah, absolutely so i just had to get you on the show because uh like i was saying uh when we were discussing this.
Nobody has used time in so many different ways as as he has yeah, as he has yeah yeah. I’ll just quickly get my wristwatch check out the way, and i’m wearing something that’s kind of related to dunkirk and we’ll.
Get to that in just a moment, but it’s, my little amiga seamaster uh. This is a vintage piece that i recently picked up so uh. What drew you to um nolan. First of all, first no i have seen i had seen all of his like previous films, the batman trilogy and then i’d, seen memento and so on, but the first film that really made me fall in love with his with his filmmaking was Inception and now it’s, the 10-year anniversary of inception uh this.
No, basically it was last weekend or something and then interstellar uh was and still is my favorite film of all time. So uh those were the two, the two biggest films of his and now. Obviously, i can’t wait for tenet, which should be released um in just a few weeks, and that also you know, focuses a lot on the concept of time again.
One of these villages, like us, traveling forwards through time, the other one’s, going backwards, [, Music ] – can you tell which is which? How about now we ‘ Ve worked with hamilton several times all right.
They love film. They get excited about it. I said this is what it needs to do. I need watch hands, so this looks like a military, ordinary watch, but i need a digital readout within it and obviously the stem for the hand goes straight through the digital mechanics.
It’s very tricky. We should also mention momenta, because yeah the way the story is structured and you you’re, literally skipping from back and forth in time, absolutely absolutely yeah. It’s. It’s. One of the films that basically define a lot of future christopher nolan films, because it’s all about the warping of time and the perception you have of what’s going on, which is then, which then is different and different.
Uh different time moments throughout the film and you don’t know which one you’re watching in that moment inception, and i i have to say i recently re-watched it uh it. Didn’t blow me away this. The the first time i saw it, but seeing it this time a little bit older.
What’s going on yeah, i mean it is a literally a labyrinth. It’s, so multi-layered absolutely it’s kind of open-ended uh. It’s, been scrutinized endlessly. It took him about 10 years to write that 10 years, wow yeah.
It took him about 10 years. So now everybody’s, wondering if inception took him 10 years and apparently tenet has took him even longer. We have no idea what what the film is going to be about, of course, wow wow.
I did not know that that’s that well, it makes sense a long time. Do you think that um he got to do that because i mean as a mainstream film, so he obviously had uh success and proved himself as a as a bankable option, because i it still blows my mind that that film was was a hit it doesn’t condescend the audience it it’s complex, you know i still don ‘
T quite understand it. You know nolan’s always said he’s been really lucky really really lucky, because warner bros took a chance with him and they allowed him to make a lot of films which wouldn’t be commercially successful with another Directive, you see what i mean.
Imagine the concept of inception and trying to to pitch this to an audience, and so he’s always said he’s been very, very lucky to have the budget that a company such as warner bros can allow him to have.
But at the same time maintain his ideas, even if you think about it, dunkirk is not something that would particularly uh attract huge audiences um and instead he managed to do that. The same there’s. One thing you should know about me: i specialize in a very specific type of security subconscious security.
You’re talking about dreams, rewatching it. I noticed how, literally in the first kind of 30 minutes how the ellen page character uh. I forget her name. Ariadne in in inception, yeah a reference to greek mythology, the the in the labyrinth, um labyrinth yep, because she’s, the designer of course, of course, yeah um.
She actually said that five minutes in reality is one hour in the dream. From the get-go there’s, so many shots of like close-ups on uh, leonardo, dicaprio’s, tag, hoya watch and the way it slows down all of his films.
The three we’re talking about today all have watches playing a part in the actual plot ellen page. Incidentally, she wears a very nice cartier tank, okay um, which it’s perfect for the paris because of those scenes in paris.
It has you know french lineage, it’s, a very old world, classy watch. I felt that the the watch for for the capital didn’t really um. It felt a little bit yeah yeah because he was he’s. An ambassador he was a tag high ambassador right.
It kind of took me a little bit out of the film too much of a reference to to outside. Do you mean anything like that? Yes, exactly exactly there’s, also the part of han zimmer at the time, because han zimmer, so basically the music kanzimar is was the composer for the music.
He’s been the composer for most of christopher nolan’s. Film and basically all the music in both interstellar and inception is you know when they’re losing time on the planet. With the waves there’s, this really loud ticking.
You know there’s, always this right. Yes, yes, absolutely, and that plays a very important element and then i don’t know if this has ever been confirmed. Nobody’s very sure about this, but apparently the in interst inception sorry lasts as long as uh la vie.
Enrolls of adityat, which is the song they listen to. I don’t know you know in in i, don’t know what i’m thinking of this in italian. Sorry, no, no, no tell me so proportion proportion was the word i was thinking of so proportionally.
It lasts just the same just the same length. Absolutely he’s, not doing the music for tennant, though oh no, that’s. A shame that is a shame i can’t. Remember, who’s doing it, but he’s, not doing it because he already has to do dune and one uh, wonder: woman and uh top gun and a lot of other things right: okay, interesting so shane because he ha like you Said it’s, an excellent point, and i’m, really glad you.
You brought this up. He he uses this kind of metronomic, uh rhythm, absolutely in all three of them. He’s. It heightens the tension as well, especially when, if you think about planets in the waves planet in interstellar, literally they’re wasting time the more time they waste the more it’s years and years that pass on earth.
So they’re, these really loud ticks and that’s like times past again, oh, that’s another year. That’s, another two years, that’s another three years and so on, as they’re wasting as they’re wasting time.
Were you at all put off by um the kind of ambiguous ending of inception? Nodon has actually said that he knows how it ends and that’s. The important thing that he didn’t leave. It purposely open because it could be this or that he said there is one definitive answer to how the film ends.
I can’t really say without spoilers, whichever of the endings it is they both kind of make sense. Okay, both the endings make sense. He knows which one of the two makes sense, but whichever of the two you pick it’s.
They’re. Okay, that’s kind of what he said without getting into australia. For those who haven’t seen it yet. I think i think you you did a good job. I think you did it because um it’s. It’s, also an interesting mix of styles like if rewatching it.
Now. I could have sworn it feels like a james bond movie. It has this kind of yeah the heist yeah concept yeah, but even interstellar. What a lot of people don’t like interstellar, a lot of people don’t.
They can’t even believe when i say it’s, my favorite film of his and favorite film in general, because they say there’s too much love in it that love uh, shouldn’t, be so Heavily featured in uh in a science fiction film that love is the solution to everything.
Isn’t, really a solution, and so on, but all of his films really feature a lot of different elements: there’s, never one defining genre. So even inception, it’s. A lot about the the love that uh cobb, so leonardo dicaprio had with his wife a huge part of the of the plot.
Is him not being able to go on from his past relationship? And then there’s, you know the the the science fiction, part of it and then like the drama, part of it and it get interstellar even gets creepy like scary at some points.
Yeah it does it’s, always a mix of genres. We don’t really know what to expect from tenet, because, for example, in tenet in the trailer they say, uh we’re, trying to stop world war. Three and and uh john david washington’s, character, says uh, so nuclear holocaust and they say no something worse and that is really dreadful because you think what could actually be worse than complete annihilation of the human race.
So it gets really scary. There’s, just this ominous feeling of something big always going on right yeah. I that you can definitely feel it in interstellar, especially because i mean it is um kind of not this.
Is it a dystopian future yeah because it’s? Basically, set as if we were in the ear, if we were grandparents, so our generation were grandparents and that’s, not too far from now. Really that’s, that’s not too far, and so to think of it.
That that could literally happen, because it could potentially happen is pretty scary yeah. I think this mix of styles is is going back to inception there’s, so many like conspiracy theories and people trying to analyze the the plot and the meanings and and all these hidden little things it’s very kubrick-esque.
I watched 2001 a space odyssey after interstellar. I know, but i caught up with it way too late and the in the moment in which i watched 2001 space odyssey. I wanted to rip down the huge interstellar post that i had in my room.
Oh no, i was so furious. I was so furious with nolan. I was saying: why did you have to be such a kubrick fanboy and not do your own film? It was too similar. Then it took me a few months of you know i rewatched interest and i thought no.
In the end, the the topics are different. The whole point of the plot is different. There are some very obvious references which, in my opinion, he could have avoided. That was just kind of a fan service, but he is, he is a bit fixated with kubrick yeah yeah, definitely um, even the robot.
It’s. It’s very like how it’s like a it’s like a non-evil howl. You know, um interstellar really deals with a lot of high concept. I mean all his films are kind of high concept like that. The ideas of time, speeding up and down effectively like the theory of relativity and all of this i barely can tell left from right.
You know i have to think about it for a few seconds. So for me i never felt really lost, or i i always understood what was was going on yeah, even with these quite uh complicated, uh ideas. How do you feel about that? I once watched a video in which uh neil degrasse tyson, i think, is his name.
The scientist was breaking down certain points in interstellar and he was saying this scene is not possible because of this, and this and this law of physics – and this thing and this and i didn’t even know that, but for him it was obvious Because he is so knowledgeable in that field, but at the same time i enjoyed it anyway.
So regardless everybody can watch it there’s. Never that feeling that you have to know everything about and that’s, something that a lot of people have criticized about known and they say that he’s. He tries too hard and his films always have to be more and more complicated and tenet is just going to be the this, even something that ‘
S got to be even more complicated, just to prove that we can’t follow up with these films, but that’s, not true, because you can follow them really easily. Even without being you know a major in science or something yeah, he never talks down to his audience, and i kind of appreciate that interstellar, i think, is probably deals with time to a more profound level because it’s.
Space time i don’t know if you’re aware, but hamilton the brand, that’s in the in the movie, and i’ve reviewed the the watch that matthew mcconaughey wears it’s. This khaki pilot watch and he plays a pilot, so it was perfectly cast, but then there’s.
The other watch, which was a practical effect they actually uh, built into the into a watch that it didn’t exist at the time and then what happened was and you you find this fascinating, because the fans loved the watch so much hamilton actually Came out with a real version of the watch, i should say spoilers for anybody.
Anybody yeah this is spoilers now so in the film he uses this watch to communicate through time with using morse code in the hands right with his daughter yeah with his daughter and that watch effectively.
Didn’t exist. It was only built for the film, it was a practical effect and it’s, a shame because the the watch they then released. They made it so big and i would have bought it it it’s, a it’s, a beautiful piece.
I also should explain to you that um hamilton has been in over 400 movies. Oh wow yeah. They have a really rich legacy of in being involved in cinema yeah uh. They used to be american and then they joined the swatch group.
So they became swiss, but predominantly they’re, an american brand and it has a very american aesthetic, stylistically and i think it just suited uh the characters. I should say perfectly, and i i love it when watch companies work intelligently, and this is why going back to inception it’s, just dicaprio wearing the watch that he’s, an ambassador for it didn’t.
You know that he didn’t. Take it to that extra level. You know. Do you see what i’m saying, and you know what i’m thinking that i would have never noticed this, but as a you as a watch lover, i imagine just being disappointed like.
Ah, you could have put anything except for that, and that just takes it especially because inception is all about being in a dream and being so detached from reality, and then there’s, something like bam in the middle that reminds you.
This is dicaprio exactly exactly you hit the nail on the head, yeah um, which actually, i think, ellen page with her cartier, that watch in paris that’s. What you’d, wear i didn’t feel i was like. Oh, that’s, a cartoon yeah, and then that was it.
You know i didn’t! Think about it, because this is another thing. Whenever i watch a film, i’m. Looking at the watches as well right yeah, i didn’t, feel that with interstellar and dunkirk will get into in just a moment, because i think again it’s.
Another example. I i feel that nolan with each film his craft is improving the way he’s. Using time is always he’s just got more proficient at it. If that makes sense, yeah yeah, let’s. Let’s. Talk a little bit about dunkirk.
I think that’s, a nice segue into dunkirk. This is my favorite out of the three. Oh really really yeah. I don’t know i just can’t get into it’s, the history factor it’s, just not my genre, so i like it, but at the same time, just in that the science fiction, part Of interstellar and inception is the thing that really got me alright interesting.
So you’re. You, you prefer science fiction, oh absolutely yeah, yeah, totally, okay yeah, but my best friend who loves nolan as well. She says dunkirk, is, you know one of the best films that he’s ever made because she’s so into history, and that’s to see how different tastes can appreciate different things from a movie.
What was the thing that you liked so much about dunkirk? Was it that the storytelling, the cinematography? I love the watch in it, but it was. It was the use of time i’m, a big akira kurosawa fan. Okay, the way it showed the three stories in three different time scales, so you’ve got one hour one day and i think one week with different perspectives.
I hadn’t seen that before it reminded me of rashmun, which is a 1950 black and white film by kurosawa, he doesn’t use time the same way, but what he was doing – and it was revolutionary at the time, was telling The same story, but from the perspective of three different characters – and it was a it – was a basically – it was showing how truth can totally be different, depending on perspective, absolutely [, Music ].
It was like a crime thriller. It was like a detective thriller type thing. There was an inciting incident uh and you had to figure out the truth from these three different completely contrasting stories.
Right dunkirk, didn’t do that, but the perspective thing was very similar and how it impacted each other, and then, on top of that, you’ve got the time and the way it crosses. I just it just absolutely blew my mind that, and i thought it was.
It was a high concept again but but, like you said it was understandable. I never felt lost yeah and, and it doesn’t. It’s. Never too heavy. It’s, not too it’s, not a complicated element of the film where you’re like wait a minute now.
What am i watching? Is it it’s? Just it’s, just fluid it just runs smoothly and the way the watch was used as well like in tom hardy’s character. In fact, i i was so inspired that immediately after seeing the film i i tracked down a world war ii, um, not that precise one but uh what’s called the spitfire watch and it’s.
That’s. Why it’s related to the watch. I’m wearing today, but the way he was using the watch because the the fuel gauge in his spitfire had stopped working, so he had to calculate how much fuel he had left by.
Turning this bezel that enabled him to time and figure out how long he could stay in the air because it was literally like every moment he was fighting. He was saving lives. So again we got time being used.
Heightening the tension yeah. Absolutely it was just. It was beautiful, and i’m gonna go on a mini rant now, okay, but something that something that people forget is how important mechanical watch is, because this is before digital before quartz before batteries.
Any of that lives really depended on the accuracy. I mean there’s, a beautiful photograph, one of my favorite photographs, and i don’t, know who took it of british parish troopers about to engage on d-day landings and they’re synchronizing, their watches it’S a matter of life and death because they’re gonna have an artillery barrage and coordinating landings and watches um, whether they were going to space or going under the ocean or whatever they were being used for every moment, counts and people’s, lives depended, and i think we’ve, forgotten that, because we we’re kind of spoiled with our phones and our digital yeah.
You know so that really spoke to me on on such a profound level uh. I guess yeah it’s, it’s, a watch fanatics film. Really, i think you know, and by the way before, when you, when you were speaking, you was.
I was thinking. This is a question i ‘ Ve always wanted to ask you, since you know i’ve met you and i’ve discovered this passion that you have for the watches right. How big is the effect that a watch in a film has on the market? Because you know there are a lot of popular films? You know top gun.
With the you know, the ray-bans and ray-ban was yeah. Yeah sort of the company was was not about to you, know, close down, but sort of, and basically just that one shot with uh tom cruise with the glasses sort of single-handedly saved the company, a watch that which something is pretty expensive yeah.
Does it have a big impact on the market so say in all these films, or you were saying uh, you know dicaprio wearing the watch interception would that have an effect on the market. Like would people sorry, i just thought a bit.
That is an excellent question. It it depends on the film and how it ‘ S used. I think top gun is a prime example, because the watch in that it’s, a porsche design. It’s, a very obscure you know only watch people gonna know about that stuff.
Okay and funnily enough – i was looking at this – is how sad i am. I was looking at ebay prices of this very watch literally last week and they’re in the thousands and it’s. Not even that amazing of a watch it’s, just it’s, got this kind of sexiness to it, and i think, because it’s, all it’s.
Pvd it’s. All like blacked out and it’s. It looks very tactical. It felt right for the movie it felt it wasn’t forced and that’s. Going back to what we were saying about inception or what i was saying about inception.
It took me out of the film because i’m, reminded and look tag higher seller, a hell of a lot of watches. They’re, very, very successful, but right when it suits the character or it’s been utilized. As part of the plot or there’s, something like james bond is the ultimate example i mean you know like it really does.
It can make and break a watch so yeah right, excellent question, excellent question, because if you think of something like glasses, some sunglasses can be expensive, but not as much as a pretty fancy watch.
So for that to have such an impact on the market, it’s. It’s so interesting. It really is um, because i’ve, always thought about all the clothes like in in interstellar. They all wear these, like carhartt uh, like clothes like matthew, mcconaughey’s where’s completely car hard and that obviously had an impact, because you could literally see the brand all the time.
Um a watch like something. You know that really intrigued me pretty interesting. I i’ll. Tell you something that that i wanted to ask you about the yeah these. These three movies nolan, is definitely a world builder like he creates these very tangible, believable worlds, like absolutely yeah.
What else do you think kind of separates his style from others, one of the things that always make his films successful? It’s, something that even people who hate nolan, because there are some people that you know say: oh the nola knights, they’re.
Just that’s, how they know the knights is that yeah, but no they mean like people who are obsessed too much with him. What they say is that nolan just has so much money that he can pay for the best of the best of the best, and what a lot of people say is how would nolan film be without that budget? Because, of course, when you have that much money, you’re, going to be paying for the best cameras, best cinematographers, best actors best, you know, composers, it’s, going to be good at the worst.
It’s, going to be just yeah. Okay, that was a good film. It’s, never going to be bad um. So i’ve, been thinking about this a lot and since again one of my friends said think of a nolan film. Without that budget, would it be the same, and i think it would be because, or even now, tenet nolan apparently said that tenet uses less visual effect shots than your average romantic movie.
That’s, what he said so it’s. Not all about the visual effects it’s because even inception, the concept you didn’t really need the special effects to make the film work even memento. If you think about it, memento could have been filmed on an iphone.
If you see what i mean really need that many special effects to convey the story um, i think it’s, just a detail in everything he will figure out every single detail. Even in interstellar there is a scene with a wormhole and a black hole and, in both cases, everything that’s around the the perimeter is warped.
They got these physicists in to calculate how the light off of every single star would be accurately what you know warped so the perfect angle, but that’s, the level of detail and it’s him and his brother, because his brother Is also like that he’s, written um, a lot of uh a lot of scripts um and he’s.
He’s, the guy. Basically behind westworld he wrote the series west right. I have still yet to watch that yeah it’s, a it’s, a typical nolan family kind of thing. It’s. It’s like a film but made into a series interesting and um.
I think it must be the details, so you’re totally convinced of that world. Like inception, you’re like yep. This is something that could actually happen that that that’s, something that, at the end of the film you’re still thinking about it’s, so realistic it’s, the devil in the details.
I guess absolutely yeah, so if dunkirk is not your favorite, i have to ask what was your yeah after the three? What were your issues with it? Um i remember like when i went to see it. I was absolutely excited i came out.
I was basically crying. I loved it so much nice, but the thing is, it was just that i wouldn’t. I’ve rewatched it since, but it’s. Just it’s, just the story. Doesn’t interest. Me as much as i don’t know interstellar and inception, and i know that he made dunkirk mostly because of like it was something that he wanted to complete for personal reasons, because he had gone with his wife on a boat trip years ago.
Where the battle happened and he had found, they’d, find themselves in uh. You know difficult weather conditions and everything, and so he started to think of the soldiers there, and so he decides to make it for more personal reasons.
Um i don’t know so it’s. Just maybe not not my genre. No, that’s completely understandable. I still haven’t, seen any films by any director that have or or a body of work that have explored as many kind of interlocking time structures or the way that um that the layering of time.
He seems to be obsessed with it. And i mean it’s, a good obsession so yeah this new film, i haven’t heard anything about it and i kind of like i the the least i know the better. I’m, like that. I’m, like i know that i’m, so pleased that it’s coming out, usually in italy, because i live in italy right.
We’ve have to wait like a month before a film comes out. Sometimes so for dunkirk, we had to wait a whole month and i was like there’s no way i can avoid spoilers for a whole month. People would just be like commenting under posts or something and writing it, but now it’s actually coming out earlier here.
It’s coming out on the 26th of august, whereas i think in america it’s coming out the beginning of september. So luckily we’re not going to well. I’m, going to be able to avoid spoilers but yeah. I’ve watched the trailer and that’s.
It i don’t want to know anything more about it until we go and watch it fair enough um. I i wonder if it’s going to have the grandeur of of the the previous, because they’re. All pretty epic i don’t know i mean that they have their epic movies.
He makes epics. You want to crash a plane, well how big a plane that part is a little dramatic. It looks like he’s, trying to go even like go over that, and i have no idea like nobody has any idea what what he’s, going to do more than that he can’t just keep on doing More and more and more and more yeah, but then we have no idea what it’s about it’s about time, but nobody can really understand how it’s going to work.
Well. There are a lot of questions there and the film hasn’t even come out, so they’re already interpretations and the film literally hasn’t even been released. That’s crazy. So, who’s? Who’s starring in it? So it’s john david washington and robert patterson uh john david washington is denzel washington’s.
Son and robert pattinson is the guy lighthouse guy right, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, i’m. I’m pleased. You recognize him from that. He’s hated by a lot of people because oh twilight, yeah yeah yeah, but but nobody ever started a film career by directly starring in something perfect.
It’s and he ‘ S often criticized he was great in the lighthouse yeah i mean that film was so bizarre. What what? What? What? What? What what i loved it did you like it yeah yeah. He is a great actor.
Just a lot of people criticize him without even knowing they’re like oh, the twilight guy. If you see some of the stuff like adam sandler started his career, you couldn’t. Imagine he’s now, like in uncut gems, yeah.
Well, that was that was a great movie. Have you seen that yeah yeah love that yeah, because it was a bit of an oscar snob? I would have imagined at least him being nominated, but he wasn’t. Actually. In closing, i have something to ask you, because i recently just finished watching um the is it netflix? No, no! It’s.
Amazon, prime’s. Adaptation of roberto saviano, zero, zero, zero um. Have you seen that at all? No, because i haven’t read the book. Yet i’ve read the other saviano books, but i haven’t read that one.
So i haven’t, seen the series now: okay, it’s directed by uh one of my favorite directors. This guy called uh stefano solima yeah. He’s from rome uh. He actually, he directed a series called romanzu criminale, which i have a family member, my yeah, my great uncle’s in it and um all right yeah, because it’s about the old neighborhood anyway, but he’s.
Roman and he he predominantly tells these kind of stories of usually it’s about wrong, but then he did, i think he did cicadas or whatever yeah he did. He did yeah uh with zero zero zero. He uses time in this.
In this way, i haven’t seen before, and this isn’t. There’s, no spoilers, but like halfway through each episode. It will slow down to like super super slow motion right, okay and then you’ll change perspective and you ‘
Ll, see the same story from somebody else and how you get to that point. It’s, it’s. Really it’s very clever. It’s. It’s, quite subtle. That’s interesting. I highly recommend it got me interested yeah, you’ve, got to see it.
You’d, like it. You’d like it. I’ve, read the other saviano books yeah and i’ve. Seen you know yeah, but i haven’t. I haven’t read the book, but i guess i could skip to the series. Well, the books are always more like visceral and more more like disturbing than the adaptations, but anyway, okay, so uh debbie.
Thank you so much for that. I think that was really insightful. Thank you really cool, so definitely guys check out debbie’s channel. I’ll, leave a link down below and hopefully yeah. We’ll. Think of some more time related movies, bye, everybody, alright guys don’t forget to like this video.
If you enjoyed it and don’t forget to add your comments down below thoughts, quiz opinions, all the rest of it, and i will catch you in the next one. Okay, thank you for watching ciao.
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Silver gems are widely sported by guys and also ladies for adorning themselves when navigating casual trips. Silver jewelry is offered in the type of pure or fine silver and also sterling silver.